East New Market

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1990 James Cheesman

James Cheesman was born in Cabin Creek in 1895.  He lived in the East New Market area almost all his life.  He was 95 when Raleigh Cline interviewed him in early 1990.  Irene Layton and Anna Lee Moxey were also present during the interview and occasionally offered comment.  The interview is transcribed below.

RC: Raleigh Cline; JC: James Cheesman; I/A: Irene Layton or Anna Lee Moxey

East New Market
1990 Rawleigh Cline interview with
James Cheesman (b. 1895)

RC:  I am interviewing James Cheesman of East New Market, present is Ms. Anna Lee Moxey and Ms. Layton.
RC:  Your names of your brothers and sisters.
JC:  Yes, I don't think I can give you all that.
RC:  Just as many you can remember.
JC:  My older brother was William T.  Anna then my sister well she was older than that.  My next brother to that living would be Elwood.  Then the next one would be Otto.  I had a sister in there to, she's deceased, Emma.  Then you come down to James.  And then, a younger sister named Pearl.  Of course Anna had a brother during that who died, who's named Edward.
AM:  You didn't give him Aunt Ida, either.
JC:  Yeah, That was my brothers and sisters.
RC:  Mr. Cheesman were you born in East New Market?
JC:  No sir, I was born in Cabin Creek, a big city.
RC:  What year was that? 
JC:  September 6, 1895.
RC:  That's a long time ago.  Do you recall the names of your parents and grandparents?
JC:  Umm, Yeah, my parents.  But now, my grandparents I never knew.  My father's name was William T. and mother's name was Mary Lucinda.
RC:  Do you recall the occupation of your father?
JC:  Well mostly.  Of course I couldn't give you all of it.  Some of them just had different jobs.  Of course my father, he farmed some and then he was..., he wasn't the sheriff, but he was an officer with the law for a long time?
RC:  Were you a farmer also?
JC:  I have been for quite a few years.
RC:  Do you recall the name of your grandfather?
JC:  No, nothing more than their last names.
RC:  What was their last names?
JC:  My father's father was William.  And my mother's father, was Frank.  Not my mother's father, she was a Moore.  I need to get myself together here.
RC:  Your maternal grandfather was a Moore?
JC:  No my grandfather was a Cheesman and my mother's father was a Moore, but what his first name was I don't know.
RC:  How long have you lived in East New Market and the general vicinity?
JC:  Ahh, lets see, I was away 2..; I lived there in Vienna for 5 years...; 7 years... from '95 I guess.  I lived in the vicinity of East New Market. 
RC:  But you have lived in the whole vicinity of Dorchester County all your life.
JC:  Yes, of course Vienna is Dorchester County too.  But anyways, that's what otherwise, I have lived in Dorchester County practically all but 2 years all of my life.
RC:  Do you recall the specific houses in the area that you lived in or some of them?
JC:  Well there's not any of them are here now, not many of them anyhow.  Lot of them was farming.  Of course, we lived on what we called the Taylor farm, that where Mr. Richardson had us now.  And now we lived down there at the cemetery too, close to the cemetery farm anyhow.  And, from then on up, I lived one year between here and Harold.  And then I bought a place next, not next to me now, near where my son lives and I lived there 20 years.  And then I built where we just sold and moved the children I guess you might say.  Outside of that, that not m...cally that I moved when I was a farmer.
RC:  Now I have gotten the basic information about your family.  From this point on, I just want you to tell me, and Ms. Moxey and Layton can help also, the people that you knew growing up, any special recollections that you think are important in the history of Dorchester County or anything, and we will chat about the past.
RC:  I might start out, do you remember World War I?
JC:  Yes.
RC:  What was the general feeling?
JC:  Well of course it was a lot like other wars I guess, there was a lot of depression you know, and afterwards, and a lot of grief during that time of course.  But, I wasn't in it.  I wasn't old to be in it.  So, I don't know of anything else I can tell you.  Happened that time.  Of course there was a lot of grief.


RC:  Mrs. Moxey told me that when you were growing up you attended the old Academy school. 
JC: Yeah. 
RC:  What do you recall about that? 
I/A:  East New Market Academy.
JC:  Hah, well 
I/A:  He has a picture of it. 
RC:  That was before the school that is down there now. 
JC:  Oh yeah, that was the old school.  That was the first school that was built around East New Market. 
RC:  Was that a public school or was that a private school? 
JC:  No, it was public.  It was run by the county, or state whichever you might say. 
RC:  Mr. Cheesman would it be possible to borrow this (manuscript, photo) to make photographs of this and duplicate the materials. 
JC:  It doesn't belong to me. 
RC:  OK, we would return it. 
I/A:  You can borrow it. 
RC:  We want to make photographs of this and duplicate the materials. 
JC:  Lot of nice reading isn't it. 
RC:  Oh Yes, it is a wealth of information. 
JC:  But it don't belong to me. 
RC:  In the Academy school, how big was that school?  How many schoolrooms? 
JC:  There were four rooms.  There was primary, of course that...(blank spot) ...and then the other was high school.


RC:  What do you recall about the town of East New Market about that time?  From the standpoint of what kind of stores they had.  Was it a busy place?
JC:  We can go down by the streets I guess.  At one time there were four grocery stores.  There was one on each corner there.  And then further down on the back of the buildings there now further on down from it, there was another store.  And there was two hardware stores.  But we'll start there from where the old Chesdel used to be and go toward the Methodist Church on that side.
RC:  Yes, I know exactly what you are talking about.
JC:  Now, the old Chesadel was on that corner.  Of course, in other words, it was a hotel, but you would call it the Chesadel.
RC:  Is that the same house now that is the House of Hinges or is it?
JC:  No, that's across the street.
JC:  Right next to it was Millensen's Dry Goods Store, it burned too at the same time that the Chesdel did.  And then you went to, what was it that called, the Collins?
I/A:  The Trading Post
JC:  The Trading Post wasn't it.
I/A:  Now it is.  It was a hat shop.
JC:  The way I remember it, it was the old Trading Post.  As far as that.  And then there were two houses sitting there between.  Of course Millensen's is where the old beer joint is. 
I/A:  Johnny's.
RC:  Johnny's.
JC:  Johnny's OK.
RC:  Has that been a beer joint since say when you were a kid?
JC:  I don't know just how many years its been, but no, a man by the name of Richardson built that in there.  He was Mrs. Richardson's husband.  And he run that for a while and he sold it.  Which was all in there and back of that was the old livery stables and the Chesdel.  Anyway you go from Warner's.  Of course Warner owns that house there now standing.  There was two houses in between that, from Millensen's Dry Goods store to that.  And that , Dr. Nichols lived in that house where Warner got.
RC:  OK.  He restored that now.  That is the house you are talking about.
JC:  Yeah that's the house that Warner got.
RC:  And there were two houses in between there and the corner.
JC:  Between him and the corner building now.
I/A:  Wasn't there a Clifton place in in there now.  A brick Clifton place.
JC:  Yeah, a William Clifton.  And the other one was Mr. Kemp Payne.  I'll have to study for a while.  They was the ones who lived in those two houses.  Then you go from where John Warner is.  There used to be a sewing factory set right in there next to that from the street run back.  Then the next place is where Mr. Charlie Meyer's lived.  Now who lives there now?
I/A:  Busta
JC:  Yeah, Busta.  I believe it is.  Then the next place would be Webster, Mr. Charles Webster.  And then you go on now and come to the older people, I recon.  The next house through there would be Mr. Jones.  And the next place now where, Mr. Legg and Mr. Richardson lived, now was the Saxon property.
RC:  Now speaking of the Richardson's.  Mrs. Richardson is about your age isn't she and maybe a little more?
JC:  Mrs. Richardson is just about as old as I am.  I don't know if she is older or not.
RC:  Did you grow up with Mrs. Richardson?  Knew her as you grew up?
I/A:  I think she lived somewhere else.
JC:  Now of course in between the Saxton place.  Of course they own that lot over there, but there's been a bungalow built in there too.  But on the other side of that is Webster property.
RC:  Now is that the one that Marc Bramble owns now?
I/A:  No that side is the other side.
RC:  Oh were on the other side now.
I/A:  Mrs. Williamson.
RC:  Oh, Mrs. Williamson, OK.
I/A:  Mrs. Williamson lives there now.
JC:  Now you go to the next place was a Dr. Jacobs had an office where Charlie boy lives in there now of course.  The house has been built and the office moved back.  Now the next place where Mrs. Creighton lives was the Edmondson building.  Now the Jacobs married Edmondson's daughter and my school teacher was one of the Jacobs.
I/A:  Pinky Jacobs
JC:  Get that picture for me.
RC:  Oh you have a picture of Mrs. Jacobs.
JC:  My school picture, yes.
RC:  We would like to get a picture.
JC:  And then you go to the old Methodist parsonage.  And then you come where Dr.  Oh I missed one, old Dr. Jones.  Old Doc Jones.  You heard of him.  I Know you didn't know him, I didn't know him.
I/A:  He brought me into the world.
JC:  Old Doc Ed Jones, father.  You don't remember him.
I/A:  Yeah you're in here aren't you.  You are in this picture.
JC:  Second one from the top.
RC:  OK, we would like to photograph this.  Have it duplicated this if it is possible.  I don't know it may not be since it is framed.  And we would certainly.  That's a rare photograph from the town.
I/A:  You don't care if they take a picture of it, do you?
JC:  I don't know a lot of, who's on there.
RC:  Do you recall any of the students on that photo.
JC:  A few of them.  But not too many.
RC:  Ms. Layton if you could help us sometime just to make sure we don't lose there names.  I/A:  Sometime maybe he can take a magnifying glass and get the names on it.
RC:  Yes, Yes those are very important documents.  Now how about the other side coming back up.
JC:  Well we haven't got out the other yet.
JC:  Where Dr. McWilliams lives.  Of course that's not old property. 
RC:  No, that's a new house.
JC:  Well, the next place to it is the old Methodist Parsonage.  And then the next place is where Hummer was, wasn't it.  No, Dr. Jones.
I/A:  Dr. McWilliams
JC:  Dr. McWilliams yeah.  That is where Wilmer Hummer lived 
I/A:  Wilmer's next to it.
JC:   I say from Dr. McWilliams.  Wilmer Hummer was just across the drive from him, wasnt' he?
I/A:  Right beside him.
I/A:  My grandfather lived there at one time.
JC:  And, I don't know who lived there years back.  I can't remember.  But anyway the next place where was the two Ms. Creighton's.  Where they built in there.  And then you come to the last house out on that side.  It was the Hooper house.  Bill Hubbard lived there until he died.  I mean after he bought it and remodeled it.
RC:  That's a.., Mr. Hubbard was your daughter's husband's father.
JC:  Yeah.
I/A:  It's older than that.
RC:  It's an old house.
JC:  Ever since I can remember it was there.  I'll put it that way.  And then of course... Friendship Hall of course that's right back of that.  Of course, that's on the outskirts, you might say.  And, I can't tell you about that.  People named O'Sulivane according what I get out of the book built it or had it built.  When I knew anything about it, Mr. George Hicks, he had bought it, and until he sold it I never knew what it was called.  He dubbed it Friendship Hall, so ha ha ha.  And then you come on over to where Allie's daughter lives.  I know when Alice built it.  Its getting along in years of course.  People named Willis, Charlie Willis built that, had it built.  Then of course you come to Church.  Across the street where Wes Blake lived was the Anders property.  Now further back than that, I don't know.  Now Wes, he's got the deed and he might be able to tell you.


RC:  Mr. Cheesman, what about that house on the way out of town on the right, the little cottage that looks like the Smith Cottage?  You know it is outside of town.
I/A:  The little house across from the Methodist Parsonage.  Beside Johnny Nossix.
JC:  Oh down that a way.  I know what you mean.  Not where Johnny lives, but the other one.  I don't know.
I/A:  That little one.  There was a Cannon at one time lived there.  That is an old one too.
JC:  It's an old house, but I don't know who.
JC:  Anna Lee, while as you go down turn out church you go down the old way out.  There is part of that school house that is still up there. 
RC:  It is?
I/A:  The house is, there is nothing in it.  ...torn down. 
JC:  Yeah, Paul bought it and made a home out of it.
RC:  Where is this now, Ms. Moxey?
I/A:  When you going by the church, like you going by the old house you had been talking about.  There is that little house and the Baptist? place
JC:  First place you see as you are going out towards 16 or 392
I/A:  There is nothing in there.
JC:  We were by there.
RC:  And part of the school is there.
JC:  Yeah, part of the old school is still there.
RC:  The academy?
JC:  Yeah.  But they tore down part of it, away I believe.  But there is part of it there as we run over there.
I/A:  When the pastor died. 
JC:  I told Irene that is part of the old school right there.
I/A:  And the part of the vestibule now over there by the Whites house on another street.  I will tell you where it is or not.
JC:  Of course you got Wes.  Now that other place back there I can't remember.  There were two other houses too in there by the church.  I don't know who built them.  There gone anyway.  Then you come down to a bungalow.  Of course that's been built recently.
RC:  That's that modern looking building.  Back towards the center.
JC:  No that's coming down the other side of the street.
JC:  Then where Ms. Clauser lives.  It is not a real old house either. 
RC:  Is that the lady who keeps her yard so neat with flowers?
I/A:  Both of them do.
RC:  About two houses this side of Smith's Cottage, going towards Cambridge.
JC:  Now the next place, as I remember, people by the name of Smith, Matthew Smith lived in or owned that.  I know it sold.
RC:  Is that the one with the double chimneys?
JC:  That is right there next to where Ms. Clauser lived.  You know where she lived.
JC:  Then the Smith Cottage comes next.  And then next to that, I thought of it a while ago and now it's gone --Carmine's, boy and his mother lived in that next place.  Of course with John Collins, it would be know as a Collins property.  I guess, wouldn't it.  I don't know.  But the Carmine's owned it and they lived there.  I have been giving you this from when I was a boy running around town.
RC:  That's amazing I am really astounded Mr. Cheesman, that you can remember.
JC:  And then, the next place is where the Flowers woman was.  Of course it has been rebuilt too.  A fellow named John Smith lived in that.  It was not quite as big as it is now.  And then you come to the next place were Russell lives.  That was Mr. George Wheatley's place, that was an old house.   And, then you come where Jimma lives.  And I know that was an old one, because it was there the first time I remember being in East New Market.  And then the next place is an old double house.  It used to be a machine shop in my younger days.  That was the first place they built automobiles. 
I/A:  Did they make coffins there?
JC:  They built on buggy wheels and put a motor in it.  That was Mr. T. who did that. 
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Tape #2 
JC:  They used to build caskets there, the undertaker.   I was in that and I don't know anymore about that.  There is a little house in between that and where Dorothy Thomas lives.  And that's where Ms. Sue Creighton and them were raised, in that little house.
RC:  What was the name of the person that you, Ms. Sue.
JC:  Sue Crieghton and Jefferson.  That would be the Jefferson property of course.
RC:  I am trying to get all the names because they are important.
JC:  And I can't tell you where Dorothy lives, way back.  I don't know who.  It don't give no names or don't give a picture in the book.
RC:  It's possible.  Which house are we talking about.
I/A:  Marc
JC:  Maybe Dorothy could tell you.
RC:  Now I think Marc Bramble has done research on that house, but any information you can give us about it, would just reinforce that.
JC:  All I know about it was who lived there.  Was Lake Thomas's father.  That was years back.  Whether they owned it or not, I don't know.
RC:  Ms. Moxey, what was the name of Marc's grandmother.
I/A:  Dorothy
RC:  Is that her name?
I/A:  Dorothy Thomas.
RC:  Did you grow up with her?
JC:  Well were all were,.. her and her brothers.   She was,.. they were all raised there in East New Market.  Now her mother.  I thought of it the other day.
I/A:  They called her Ms. Em, Em Smith.
JC:  She was Em, but before she was married, she was a Helsby. 
RC:  Helsby
JC:  That was Dorothy's mother. 
RC:  Right.
JC:  She was a half-sister to Charlie, Charlie Helsby.  And then you come, of course that old house sit in there, I couldn't tell that much about that.  Where Sammie Jones'es.  Did you know when he lived there?
I/A:  Yeah I remember, he was a little man, a hunchback.
JC:  Of course it was moved out of town. 
I/A:  Down the street.
JC:  Yeah its out there on Minnie's property.
I/A:  That house is.
JC:  That little house, yeah.
JC:  Well from there we will go to the house of hinges.  As far back as I can remember that, Mr. Tom Higgins lived there.  Run a livery stable there.  As far back as I know that, I don't know who was there before them.  I don't remember.
I/A:  He took the mail, Mr. Cheesman.  He went down to the depot and got the mail.
JC:  Yeah, they picked up the mail.
I/A:  While he lived there at the hotel, and he had boarders, roomers.
RC:  At the house of hinges.
I/A:  It was called the Old Brick Hotel. 
JC:  Yeah, it was the Old Brick Hotel, but it goes by the name of the house of the hinges.
RC:  Right, right.
JC:  And then ahh..
I/A:  Tom Gambriel, Dorothy Gambriel
JC:  I don't remember who owned the house where Dorothy Gambriel lived
I/A:  Mr. Tom Gambriel lived in it.
JC:  They owned it when they lived there.  I mean before that.  You see one of those houses,   I believe it was the one next to the beer joint now, it used to be a filling station.  I believe Mr. Jimmie Payne had that built way back.  And, that is where he lived.  But where Dorothy is, I can't get myself together.  In times back I mean, who lived there.  So we might have to discard that.
RC:  OK, that's fine.
JC:  Now up to that, now were to,.. Filling Station and see yourself, Beer joint. 
RC:  Yeah, Mike's.
JC:  Used to be a barber shop in there.
RC:  Did Herb Smith ever work in that barber shop?
JC:  No, he never worked in there.
I/A:  He's too young.
RC:  He's a young barber.
JC:  He come with Charlie when he moved over.  After that burned.  See that burned when all those other buildings burned in town.
JC:  Then you come to that, where the beer joint is or barber shop whatever it was, to the old Fletcher building.  I don't know whether you ever seen that or not.
RC:  I didn't see it, but I heard.
JC:  That sat in there next to the beer joint in that open lot. 
RC:  Right.
JC:  And then next to that was a store, right on the corner, a grocery store, that Mr. Everett Holland.  And that ends that one to the crux.
I/A:  Mr. Cheesman, don't forget Ms. Nettie Oliver ran that store.  Later.
JC:  I know they kept a store there. 
I/A:  And they lived up on the second floor.
JC:  Up over over the store, wasn't it.  Now later on, Oliver's ran that store.  Who was it, Harry?
I/A:  Yeah, Harry and Nettie Oliver. 
JC:  Harry and Nettie Oliver.  Of course they lived up over the store.  Now later on, it was turned into a garage more or less. 
I/A:  Charlie Rickwood.
JC:  Yeah.  That takes you up to the corner on that street.  On both sides.
RC:  Right.


JC:  Now, we go from there across.  Later on, there was an old store, a grocery store that sat on that corner.  And then later the Methodist Church bought it from them.
I/A:  Trinity Hall.
JC:  Trinity Hall.
I/A:  Charlie Helsby ran that store.
JC:  Of course, there ain't no need to give the ones that was in between that.  And where  Kyle has got their store, there was a house on another lot and it was torn down to build another store.  And, it was Smith property.  But not, I don't think of Mr. Helsby's people, Mr. Jim Smith.  Anyway..
RC:  Was that Mrs. Bootsie Smith's family?
JC:  No, Mrs. Bootsie is down the other way.  Then the next thing is the undertaker's parlor.  And of course years ago, Mr. Howard Willoughby had that.
RC:  She was related to Mrs. Willoughby that recently went in a nursing home.  Yeah I know Mrs. Willoughby.
JC:  You mean Ruth.
RC:  Yes.
JC:  Yeah, she had that for quite a while, the undertaker's business.  But it was originally the Willoughby.
I/A:  Mr. Harry Willoughy.
JC:  H.H. Willoughby
RC:  That was Mrs. Willoughby's father.
JC:  No that was her father-in-law. 
I/A:  Her father-in-law and grandfather.
JC:  She really go hooked up.  Anyway that's that.  And then there was the next two.  Of course the next place is the home place.  You know where that is. 
RC:  Yes.
JC:  And then that open lot was a family of Varnes who lived there.  And then after they died, some way Ruth got that and the house was torn down, or burned.  I don't know which it was.  And then you come to the Episcopal Parsonage, where there used to be a nursing home too.
RC:  Was the Episcopal Parsonage built during your life time?
JC:  It was there when I was a boy.  I couldn't tell you when it was built.
RC:  Ok, but it was a nursing home prior to that.
JC:  Later on, yeah.  Ruth
I/A:  Virginia Legg, Virginia Legg Mills.  She lives there now.
JC:  She lives there now, don't she.  Then the next place there is the Episcopal Church.
RC:  Right.
JC:  Then you go there where Harry Groten lives.  Now I was nothing but a boy when that was built.  That was built for Mr. Sammy Webster.
I/A:  I remember him. 
JC:  You remember him?
I/A:  I remember that he was an old man.
JC:  Of course, the next place hasn't been built too long.
RC:  Herb Smith's place, yeah. 
I/A:  Herb Smith.
RC:  Yeah, I would say that would have been built about 1935(?)
JC:  Yeah it wouldn't be a historical. 
RC:  Compared to the rest or these its is a new house.
JC:  Then you go across the street and there are three houses, three houses across there, you go over and come back.  They were new houses. They wasn't old houses.  I don't think ahh, lets see, where Mr. Hackett lives.
I/A:  Well, there is one before that.
JC:  There's one before that.  That's where Charles lives?  That's where Charles lives or where Mr. Hackett was?
I/A:  Ruth moved in over there.  There are houses in between that, where Lawson's.
JC:  Yeah, Yeah.
I/A:  You know where Kirk is now.  Well OK. 
JC:  Wasn't there more than one house?
I/A:  Were talking about Boston's or I don't know who lived there.  Or where Ruth
JC:  I'm talking about.  You know I mean one side or the other where Mr. Hackett lives. 
I/A:  That's the other side, right across from the Willoughby's.
JC:  There was a house moved in there.
I/A: Oh I recon before that, there was two houses.
RC:  That was moved.  That house I happen to know was moved there from our next door neighbor.
RC:  Do you remember moving that house?
JC:  Yeah, I remember, I saw when the new house was built.  What I was trying to get..  Maybe I don't remember right, but seem to me like there was two houses in there besides what one they moved in over in between by where Ruth lived and the corner up in there. 
I/A:  Where the Boston's lived.
JC:  But anyway we'll come on down, of course that place were Hackett lived, it was an old house too.
I/A: That was an old house.
RC:  Is that the one the Hurley's live in now.  That is a very old house too.
JC:  And then you come down Ruth Willoughby's.  And anyway we go from there.  And then the next place is the old house that was moved from where the house up there next to you. 
RC:  Yes
JC:  It was moved from there, round there.
RC:  Did it move across the field the back way. 
JC:  Yeah they moved
RC:  Someone said they pulled it on wagons and logs.
JC:  Mr. Baker owned the back lot in there and he moved it around on that street.  And that was Mr. John Baker.
I/A:  Did they pull it around on logs?
JC:  I don't know how they moved it Irene, but they moved it.  I have an idea they moved it on wheels.  And then you come to where the Merrick lot is.
I/A:  Yeah, he lived there.
JC:  He lived in one of them.  Well them two houses was always called the cottages.
I/A:  Maureen?, lady in back of the fire house. 
JC:  The one back of the fire house.
RC:  They still call them that.
JC:  Well that's what they was called, cottages.  Now, who owned them, I don't know who built them.
RC:  But they were built.  You can remember when those were built?
JC:  They were there when I wasn't big at all.  So, they had to be built somewhere around a hundred years or more, maybe more.  I don't know.  And then the fire house, of course that's where another store was, a grocery store.
I/A:  And, that was a good one too.
JC:  And it burned.
I/A:  It had everything, Mr. Ed Bramble, I remember.


JC:  We'll come down to it later on down another street.  But, his name was Mr. Sol Smith. And of course that brings you up to that corner.  Well then, we go to the left down your street.  I think we are getting the others now.  I don't believe.. we haven't been to Secretary yet, that way yet, have we?
I/A:  No.  Which direction did he want to go first?
JC:  Well get started there.  Let's go down your street.
JC:  Next to that, at that time was Mr. Charlie Willis' hardware store and it was built right on the end of his house between where the old bank was and the house.  His hardware store was built right in there.  And now, Mr. Sam Smith's daughter lives there.  And then you go I think next, ground evil.  Ha, Ha.  When I remember another thing about that and of course she knows it was there too, it was Captain Billy Johnson's.  I don't know what year it was,  but, he lived there and then Mr. Tom Collins, he lived there.
I/A:  That was one of the last ones though.  Before I..
JC:  And your Aunt, Bertha lived there. 
I/A:  Uh huh.
JC:  Then if that's settled we'll to the next place where the Simmons bought.  It is an old place.  If I remember right, can remember back.. and I thought of that the other day
I/A:  Wasn't a Liza Hubbard lived there at one time.
JC:  Not that I remember, Anna Lee.
RC:  But it's definitely and older house, it's a federal house which probably dates it to 1830.  JC:  Of course there has been several people lived there.  This one dates way back.  A boy I went to school, I did.  Anyway, we will have to let it go, now.  I know Mr. Tom Colbourne lived there at one time.  But, I mean, that wasn't very far back like some of the others.  And then we go up to.  Who owns the next place?
I/A:  He does.  He knows.
JC:  That house is now I guess called Maurice.
RC:  Maurice Manor.  It's by Buckland is the name of it now.  Buckland, because it was on a land grant, date 1748.
JC:  When I was going to school, Mr. Joe Bramble lived there.
RC:  Yes, he was a.., we have an unbroken list of owners.
JC:  He lived there when I was going to school.  He lived there.  And then a..  Who was the next one?
I/A:  Where Madora lived. Madora
RC:  Gray, Mrs. Gray
I/A:  Madora Gray lives there, but I didn't know who.  And next to him.
JC:  I never knew they lived there.
I/A:  Yeah and next to him.  Didn't Mr. Hamil Smith move over.  And Hamil Smith lived there once.
RC:  Yes, Ms. Bootsie lived there, and was married.
JC:  Ms Bootsie lived there once?  I don't know.
RC:  Yes.
I/A:  Where Madora lived. 
JC:  Where Madora lived.  No, I was speaking about his house.  I was talking about his house.
RC:  No they never lived
JC:  I didn't think they every lived there.  It was a Mr. Sherman.  Mr. Walter Sherman built that house where Madora was.  Where you were talking about where Mrs. Bootsie living at one time.
RC:  Did you remember the construction of that house?  Did you remember when it was built?
JC:  No, I can't tell you what year it was built.  And I think if I remember that's where the Maurice comes in. 
RC:  Yes.  Right
JC:  Sherman's daughter.  Am I right?
RC:  I think you are correct on that.  I am almost certain you are.
JC:  Yeah, I am not either.. but I just am going from what I remember.
RC:  You are the only person we've met who knew the people before Maurice.
JC:  And then, we had a son that lived in the lower part of it, course that's has been torn off.
RC:  Yes, yes, unfortunately.
JC:  But as far as I know the Maurice would be what you'd want. 
RC:  Yes
JC:  And w'ere at the next place we are talking about Mr. Walter Sherman built that and then he bought the over there for Mrs. Maurice.
RC:  I was told they were related.
JC:  Yeah, that was his daughter.  Then you go next place where a..
I/A:  Jackie Rickwood
JC:  The Rickwood boy lived..  That's where Mr. Everett Holland lived when he had the store up there.  He lived in that house.  And Mr. Sol Smith lived down that street somewhere.  Well he was the one I was trying to think of in that house up there.  I don't know.  But, then the next place you come to is the Bloodsworth's.   Then there was a Wright they owned that a times back.   Then there was a Will Sard there.  That is some time back.  It's an old house.  Then you come to Ms. Sally Vicker's.
I/A:  Yeah.
JC:  Mr. Sally Vicker's place.  It's an old house too.  Then the next place Mr. John Blades built.  And that's where Elizabeth lives.
I/A:  Rickwood.  Johnny Rickwood
JC:  And then the next place where they remodeled there were.. 
I/A:  The Rogers.
JC:  the Pennypacker's.  Last one there was out to these people.  Wasn't it.  Of course these people got it remodeled.  There was a.. I can't think of her first name now.  Mrs. Allie Charles.  And she was a Vickers.  And of course that is what they call the Vicker's place.  And that's were Mr. Wilbur Vickers lived and then she has another sister.  The three lived there in that house.  And then these people bought it and they remodeled it.  What you do with that I don't know.  What do you still call that antique?
RC:  Yes. Yes.  Because a facade was put on it.  It can always be restored to it's original condition.
JC:  Well that's an old house.  And then where Mrs. Smith lives, Bootsie, a man by the name of Cottman built that house or had it built.  He was a station agent for the railroad.  And then the next place where Matthews was.  What's her name?
I/A:  Mildred
JC:  Mildred, Mildred Smith.  Just thought of .. it's gone.  He was a veterinarian.  Douglas's father raised him.
I/A:  Steadman, Mr. Steadman.
JC:  Steadman.  He was a Steadman. He had that place built.  And then where Mr. Cat Hair built.  That's not an old house  And then the next place is Ruth's.  Wattery?   I don't know how long it was built, but it wouldn't be historical.
RC:  Is that the one that Tolly has now?
JC:  And then the next one where Kennedy used to live.  Mr. Edward Bell had that built.
I/A:  Edward Bell is Albert? Camper's father
JC:  But I don't think it wouldn't be any historical.  And that's all down that side.  Now in going back.
I/A:  That old church.
JC:  Well, wait a minute, there is another one.  Where Mrs. a..
I/A:  There is a German Church in there.
JC:  Oh well yeah, it's empty.  But a..
I/A:  Alma? Bell, Mrs. Bell used to live in the next house.  A way back.
JC:  Yeah I know that she did.  I was just trying to think. Camper boy.  He is the last one outside of his window?   There is a little house there.  It would be antique.  I am almost sure.  Cause ever since I can remember that thing, it has been there. 
RC:  Is that Albert Presley's house.
JC:  That's the last place out of town.  The town limits. 
RC:  Yes.  The town limits is right there.
JC:  And then as we go back we've got a long ways to go with blank.  Of course you come up to the post office.  That building there is not antique.  And then you go up to..
RC:  Frances Anderson's
JC:  Oh shucks.
I/A: Frances
JC:  Frances.  Whatever her name is. 
I/A:  Anderson
JC:  Where she lives.  Well Mr. a..  He was a Melvin anyway.  Can't think of his first name.
I/A:  He didn't have a store did he?
JC:  No.  He just lived in that house.
I/A:  Was that Mr. Roy Melvin's father?
JC:  Roy's, his father and Gilbert's.  You did know Gilbert, didn't you, Anna Lee?
I/A:  I didn't really know him. 
JC:  Roy he was.. Clerk of Court.
I/A:  Mr. Roy Melvin ushered in my Mother's wedding.  I know that.
JC:  But Gilbert, he was younger than Roy.  I don't know if you remember him or not.
I/A:  I remember Mr. Roy.
JC:  But Roy oc course he stayed around here.  Gilbert left.  He didn't stay around here.  And the next place would be the Helsby property a time back.  Wouldn't it?
I/A:  I don't know.  I know my mother and father lived there.
JC:  Yeah, and Mr. Jim Smith and Mrs. Em lived there.  That was when I was going to school.  You see that was left to her.  That property, Mrs. Em.
I/A:  And the other's were torn down next to that.
JC:  When I was school, Mr. Jim and Mrs. Em lived there.